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Schrödinger's Snake
Heisenberg125 Reviews | 5.5/10 (125 Ratings, 0 Likes, 17 Favorites )
Hermione Granger, new Hogwarts librarian, has inherited the unenviable task of archiving parts of Hogwarts' neglected archives. There, she uncovers a manuscript by Salazar Sytherin and finds that his injunctions against Muggles aren't exactly what everyone has always assumed them to be. Unable to quite believe it herself, no one else believes her until, in a bizarre set of circumstances, the author himself appears and begins to meddle in Hermione's life.
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I love it when a topic is well researched. Everyone benefits. :-) Great job and can't wait for more. :-D
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Thank you so much! We have really enjoyed researching this particular fic. So glad you're enjoying it!
Ok, I'm hooked. Love the bits about the language usage. I hope this means we'll be getting to know Slytherin a bit better. I like to think he was terribly misunderstood :)
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Thanks! Coming up with the linguistic stuff was a lot of fun. :) We will def. be getting to know Slytherin better!
I love an intriguing mystery, and anything involving Severus Snape and Hermione, the Lioness of Gryffindor.Great beginning!!! I'm very much looking forward to more.Regards, Beth
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Thanks, Beth! The next chapter will be up as soon as it works its way through the queue. :)
Wonderful beginning for a story. Definitely looking forward to more!
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
My wonderful co-author should have her chapter (chapter 2) up fairly soon!
Yay for Latin! Intriguing story so far. Looking forward to more!
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
More should be posted pretty soon! Thanks for reviewing.
This is very nice! I am sooo looking forward to reading more of it. I am excited by the parchment from Salazar. Big happy grin at this one!
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Thank you so much! We had great fun talking through possible plots for this prompt, so hopefully y'all will like this!
*swoons for a fic that refers, correctly, to Anglo-Saxon and Latin usage*Thanks for an intriguing start that satisfies my uber-geeky grad student heart!
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
You're more than welcome! Hopefully more will be posted soon.
This is really interesting! I hope that Hermione gets help. Good job!
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Hermione will certainly try to get help. Whether or not Severus is keen on helping... Thanks for reviewing. There should be more posted soon.
Hmm - interesting. I look forward to seeing where this goes.
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Thanks for reviewing. More should be up soon!
Very interesting start :)
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
My lovely co-author should be putting up the next chapter soon!
Very intriguing.
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Thank you! More soon.
Very good start. I can see Hermione having to go through each and every document to ensure it did not get skipped over and forgotten.
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Very methodical, bless her. But it is a very important task, as we shall see!
A very interesting first chapter, I liked it!Severus have taken a very Slytherin approach:-) He, without a doubt, knows that by telling Hermione about the manuscripts that need sorting is a sure way to get the job done properly without having to do it himself (not that he would admit that he think shw can do the job properly any time soon...:-)). At the same time he also knows that if she finds something interesting, she will let him know, though he would call it "constant pratteling" of course:-) Yup, I am rather impressed by his manipulations, though I hope Hermione will gloat a bit about being able to read Salazar's manuscript first:-).
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
It's so wonderful that you see all of that Snape stuff in there even though this was a Hermione-only chapter. I love it when people pick up on the subtler aspects of a fic! You've made my day.
Great start on a story!!!!!! Liked it very much, update again soon!
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
The next chapter by my wonderful co-author should be up fairly soon! Glad you're enjoying it so far.
Oh thank you for answering this prompt. I was really hoping someone would write something up for it. And you're so erudite! (Much more so than I!) I am thrilled with this and looking forward to many more chapters.
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Well, there are two of us working on it, so we have the benefit of twice the research time and twice the brain power! I'm glad you're enjoying it so far. Chapter 2, by my lovely co-author who spotted the real potential in this prompt, should be up soon!
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
'Erudite'! *author #2 fans self* Aw, shucks. :)
Wow! Please tell me there's more! The plot and possibilities seem endless.
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Well, we'll try not to let it become an epfic! LOL There are 12 (ish) chapters planned for this, so hopefully we'll manage to cram in everything you might want from the story!
To be geeky here, also...The "Anglo-Saxon" language used before 1066 was actually Old English, a mixture of Latin and the four dialects spoken by the seven tribes in England. The writing system created after the Danes invaded is called The Insular Hand, basically the Old English writing, which took the place of Futhorc, or runes. You are right in that after 1066 and the Norman invasion the language changed again - Middle English and French. However, the upper classes spoke French while the lower classes spoke Middle English, or a derivative, depending on the area they lived in. So in all actuality, had Salazar believed in the superiority of pure-blood status, he would actually have probably used French-and more likely Old French, which would have been even more difficult for an English speaking person to translate than Old English because there is really no knowing exactly how it is pronounced. The oldest written document in Old French comes from the court of Charles the Bald called the Oaths of Strasbourg, in the early 840s. Although, and this is really interesting, had Salazar been educated by the Roman Church, he would have written in Classical Latin and not stooped to the vernacular or Vulgar Latin that became the romance languages at all, especially when writing magical texts - Classical, or now Ecclesiastical, Latin was reserved for holy manuscripts and rituals only. I could see him using it as a private slap in the face to Muggle religion if he did discriminate. Oh, and excellent beginning, by the way. Sorry about that - I am a medievalist and quite rightly get carried away sometimes!
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Don't worry, I'm a medieval geek too! So, my A/N did originally read 'Old English', and then after a chat with my co-author and thinking about whether people who might happened to have read Beowulf would have thought about it (or been taught it) as written in Anglo-Saxon or Old English, I plumped for that. Plus, it makes it a little clearer for people unfamiliar with the languages that it is much more different and much more difficult for modern English readers to decipher than Middle English and Chaucer and the like. I also kind of thought of wizards as something of a spin-off of the RCs, rather than as uneducated pagans, although I'm not sure why; it was just an assumption that I worked on. I guess it is kind of an elitism thing, but then, Slytherin is all for that! ;-) There will be a bit more medievalism lurking around in future chapters, so I hope that we do well with it!
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Author #2 here, another medievalist - w00t. Latin continued to be a spoken language at the time as well, though only amongst the educated. I imagine, given the scholarly nature of the magical world, that Latin would have been the primary written AND spoken language for wizards. Unless we're meant to infer from the fact that his name is 'Salazar,' and assume he was a Spaniard. :-D
Response from WickedlyWanton (Reviewer)
Aren't history majors amazing? I agree that the wizards and witches of Salazar's time were probably of the Roman Catholic ilk, specifically because of the use of Latin in spells and incantations. If Salazar was a Spaniard, I could see him using the Ecclesiastical Latin as the basis for his writing, even if he used the "Vulgar" Latin in speech. And truly, if they are taking in those from a non-magical background, it might stand to reason that they did not discriminate against social status, meaning that there would possibly be others of peasant (a rather vague term I am using to mean those who are not clergy or warriors) or pagan heritage who would need to be educated to prevent "accidents." So the use of the vernacular would be accepted and probably a necessity. With this story, and I realize that I have only read one chapter so far, I sort of like the idea that if Salazar is providing a case for the purity of womanhood, and not promoting the superiority of man, then he would be going against the teachings of the elitist and patrilineal Catholic Church anyway, so why not use their holy language in something that the Church would deem unholy? I know that this is just a small part of what's going on in the story, but I love little intricacies, especially when it's not just fiction but something that I love and have studied extensively that is incorporated into something else I am obsessed with - like fan fiction! ;P
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
I think that, regardless of what Salazar happened to be speaking - and it is not unreasonable to assume that he would have spoken more than one language - he almost definitely would have been writing in Latin. It was not considered a holy language in any way - rather, it was the language of all international confraternities, be they religious or secular. The Roman Church used Latin because Latin was the one language that all its far-flung congregants were guaranteed to be familiar with, most of them having been part of the Roman Empire at one time or another. Presumably the wizarding world, too, found itself incorporated into the Roman Empire, and so Latin would have become its lingua franca as well. The idea that Latin was somehow the property of, or sacred language of, the Roman Church does not take into account the fact that, in reality, it was not until after the Reformation that the Roman Church co-opted Latin as a solely ecclesiastical language (and even then it continued to be the language of science in Western Europe until the seventeenth century). Let us not forget that, long before it was the language of churchmen, Latin was the language of Roman bureaucrats.
Response from WickedlyWanton (Reviewer)
True, when it comes to speech. But we must also remember that during the Middle Ages it was against church law to translate the Bible from the Latin to the vernacular, and most people didn't understand what the Latin in their catechisms meant, only that they were taught the proper responses. A certain type of Latin was sacred to the Church (see Eamon Duffy, The Stripping of the Altars: Traditional Religion in England 1400-1580--the first half of the book describes religion and religious practices in the Middle Ages and the change they underwent just before the Refomation). My main point is that Latin was used for religious texts, or by clerics translating non-religious texts that had a basis in their beliefs, during the time that Salazar would have been writing.
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
I see what you are saying, but I think it is simply too general. There were many non-religious original compositions in Latin at the time (cf. Gildas, Bede, Alcuin); a lot of original philosophy was also written in Latin (cf. Anselm), as well as logic and rhetorial exercises for use in the cathedral schools. You are also misapprehending the Church's ban on vernacular Bibles: there were Bibles in Old English (cf. Bede, Aelfric) as early as the seventh century, and Bibles in French for the nobility. Let us remember that Wycliff was not considered a heretic for his translation of the Vulgate, but for his advocacy of ecclesiastical poverty and his attacks on the papacy during the schism. I would be wary of anything Eamon Duffy has to say; his decidely Anglican bent often results in the misrepresentation of the medieval Roman Church.
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
P.S. I am enjoying our very scholarly discussion! :-D
Response from WickedlyWanton (Reviewer)
Ack! Too bad we can't discuss this in email. I would love to find out how deep the animosity toward Duffy runs. ;) I find him very one-sided also, but his discussion on the reactions of the common people toward the Catholic religion coincide with some of the views that Edward Muir puts forth in his study of rituals and the the scholarship of Natalie Zemon Davis (although her focus is France). But, now that I think about it a little more, if the wizarding world is mired in the Middle Ages during the 20th century, during the Middle Ages could it conceivably have been imersed in the Greek traditions? This is speculation because I prefer medieval European, medieval Eastern European, and Reformation to classical or late antiquity studies and so my background here is a little lacking--thinking it was sort of like Renaissance thought before the Italian Renaissance began, if that makes sense. In reference to Gildas, Bede, Alcuin, they were clerics or ecclesiastics, and it would have been acceptable for them to write in Latin because of their religious beliefs and teachings--not divine inspiration, of course, but basically the same impression that a learned man of God must have the right idea (I like thinking about the immediate reactions to Luther's ideas). Also, Bible translations were frowned upon by the Catholic Church, and while there were some, they were incomplete, which made it a little more acceptable--Wyclif's Bible was translated in the late 1300s, almost 200 years after the ban on any translation from the Vulgate. Alcuin was charged by Charlemagne to revise the Latin Vulgate, not translate it. However, I don't remember any ban on translations from the Greek, such as the Bible translated to Old Church Slavonic, but since that was done by the Byzantines, I don't know that the Church would have paid much attention to it. Obviously, any Bible not sanctioned by the Church would be frowned upon (putting it lightly) but I don't remember any specific ban.
Oooh very interesting. And we're all for lots of (Biblical) knowledge!
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Toward the end, after they've leapt over all the hurdles we like to put up for them.
Really like the start of this. Looking forward to more.
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Thanks so much! We hope the next chapter will be updated within a couple of days. :)
Oh, very lovely! I look forward to further chapters!
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Thank you! More is coming up quite soon. :)
Very indepth, however isn't a misandrist more of a hater of little boys or children as appossed to Misanthrope=hater of people or men and misogynst=hater of women?Interesting premise. I am curious to se how this will develop.Livvy
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
It can be, certainly, but 'misandrist' comes from the Greek 'andros,' meaning males specifically, while 'misanthrope' is derived from 'anthropos' - people of either sex.Really glad that you like the premise - we hope to update often!
Oh I really loved this chapter! I loved the old script and how Hermione was working through it. Totally cool! Next....
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Thank you for the fantastic review! I'm glad you like the historical aspect of the story. :)
Good start so far. I'm eager to read more.
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Thanks! There is more to come very soon.
This is really quite interesting.
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Thank you! That's very encouraging. :-)
Great start. I'm so intrigured already. This is my kind of story. :) :)
Response from Heisenberg (Author of Schrödinger's Snake)
Awesome! I hope you keep enjoying it. :)