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The Ignorance of the Privileged
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I am an inveterate seeker of approval. This has undermined my ability to express a point that is important to me.
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First, let me say how glad I am that the review-a-thon has prompted me to go back and read stuff that I missed while on vacation, and over the Christmas holidays, and during the SS/HG exchange. I have found many delightful things posted in the last year.
Second, I, too, am a people pleaser who often sits quietly by to avoid rocking the boat. It is much easier to write down thoughts that you are passionate about, because if you get too emotional, you can step back for a moment, and rewrite if you need to. And, you aren't face to face with the people to whom you are writing. I propose you and I stick together and take on the world. And then find a hiding place for two, in case anyone glares at us, lol.
I couldn't agree with this essay more, and I will probably ramble on more than is necessary.
Lucius has never been one of my favorite characters. He is needed in a story like Harry Potter, so I can appreciate him as a literary necessity, but I don't have to like him or what he stands for. I've only written him once, and he was painted in a negative light. I don't think I could manage him any other way.
I recall a conversation that I had with a good friend where we were discussing why so many people like Lucius as a leading man. The real emphasis of the conversation is why Lucius with Hermione. We both saw that as a complete betrayal of characters on both sides. Does she have the capacity to forgive him? I believe she does. She has a good head on her shoulders and a kind heart. Can Lucius redeem himself? I think it is possible, but not likely. I can see him deciding that family is more important the politics. I can see him feeling weary after the war and deciding that it is easier to live a life where equality reigns. But do I think that someone with such deep down beliefs will just give them up? Absolutely not. So, back in the Hermione and Lucius discussion, I think they could exist without killing one another. I think they could be coworkers, or neighbors or whatever, but I think she would still have an amount of distrust and hurt, and he would still look down at her as a lesser being. Hence the reason that they would never be involved romantically or sexually.
None of this means that I haven't read and even enjoyed a story or two with easily redeemed Lucius, because I certainly have, and I will continue to do so. But while reading them, I find myself thinking, "This would so never happen!" I think it is okay that people choose to write fanon!Lucius, but if you want a story that is really true to the HP universe, I think he must remain the monster that he is, even if he becomes a softer version of canon!Lucius.
And if nothing else, I can understand your feeling on the matter because of my feelings about Ron Weasley. I really, really like him, and I think that it is absolutely reasonable to think that he and Hermione live together happily and in love in canon. I know that many don't feel that way. I am first and foremost an SS/HG shipper, because I love the dynamic between the two, but just because they end up together, doesn't automatically make Ron a bad guy. I think in canon he can be jealous and careless, and immature, and many more things that come with the territory of being a teenage boy, but there is nothing in the books to indicate that he would become a lying, cheating, wife-beating, alcoholic. Or any of those other things people do to him. And just as he would never become such a low character, no matter what life threw at him, I think Lucius can only go so far toward redemption. Or maybe I should say that he only would go so far toward redemption.
Long story short (too late!), I wholeheartedly agree with you. And more than that, I am proud of you for having the nerve to publish this. There is nothing wrong with having your opinion, and in this case, it is more than an opinion since there is so much evidence to back what you are saying. I hope it isn't the last time that you speak out about something that is important to you.
I do believe he loves his family but in a more prideful way than actually familial. He sees his son as something he has created, a reflection of himself, and as The Heir, a vessel to carry on the bloodline. But never as an individual person who may think, feel, or act differently from him.
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
That's an interesting perspective, and it's one I had not previously considered very seriously. You could be right, however. After all, it was Narcissa we saw taking extra steps to protect Draco.Thank you for sharing. You've given me even more to think about.
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
That's an interesting perspective, and it's one I had not previously considered very seriously. You could be right, however. After all, it was Narcissa we saw taking extra steps to protect Draco.Thank you for sharing. You've given me even more to think about.
Very interesting essay. It certainly grapples with a lot of issues that I think many of us have confronted as we've written or read fanfic, particularly fanfic that involves characters who perpetrate evil in canon.Very thoughtful. I'm glad I clicked on it.
Response from MMADfan (Reviewer)
One more thought. I wrote a chapter in an AU postwar fic in which Lucius Malfoy has been greatly reduced in circumstance, had his estate essentially confiscated to pay reparations, and is under house arrest in a very modest Muggle house, where he lives under restrictions of his movement and any use of magic. Severus visits him and sees that even with all that Lucius has gone through, he really just doesn't get it, and until he does, he'll be trapped in dreams of a glorious future-that-might-have-been-if-only. Lucius suspects Severus (who in my AU, has had a long, hard road to redemption, and a slow realization of his own guilt, with gradual shifting from having gone to the OotP because he betrayed Lily & wants revenge, etc., to having true remorse for having done the things he did) -- anyway, Lucius suspects Severus of having "converted" to the "right" (winning) side late, but timely, and for solely self-serving reasons. When Severus encourages him to try to become a man whom Draco can be proud of, to take advantage of the opportunity he has, he says, “You see me, my circumstances. What you suggest is impossible.”Severus shook his head. “No, not impossible, simply extremely challenging. You have some intelligence, Malfoy. Use it. It would give you something to spend your time on, something other than sitting in your garden dreaming about what might have been. You’re right about one thing, of course. It is impossible to change who you were and what you have done. I encounter that same truth on waking each morning and am reminded of it constantly. But show some ambition, Malfoy! Aim for something more than you were, something other.”“Easy for you to say: you chose your sides well.”“Not well: late. And hardly easy.” Severus stood. He had nothing more to say to this wreck of a man. Lucius did not yet understand the nature of his choice, that it had meant more than choosing sides and picking the winning one. Until he did, Severus doubted that the other wizard could move beyond what he was and where his previous choices had brought him.“When did you choose, then?” Lucius asked, suddenly looking up at him sharply.Severus looked down at him. “Before his first defeat. You have surely learned that from the Prophet. And it is still a choice that I make every day.”I had one reviewer who was completely outraged that poor Lucius had lost the manor, had his funds confiscated, and was living in such modest circumstances. I was flummoxed when I read the review. Lucius Malfoy was, most likely, a serial murderer, a torturer of Muggles and others, and a pureblood racist -- and it is likely that his family obtained its wealth through less-than-pleasant means, even if they weren't illegal -- and yet there was outrage on his behalf. What of his victims? The expanding circle of victims, not just those whom he directly affected, but their friends, family, and society in general? Then I realized that the reviewer must have read a lot of fanfic that completely glosses over the canon!Malfoy's behavior and beliefs and she had forgotten what a truly wretched human being he was. Of course, it is possible that she actually identifies in a positive way with canon!Malfoy, but I don't prefer that explanation.Again, thanks for the thought-provoking essay!
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
I will give you a better and more comprehensive response, later, but I wanted to let you know that you've reminded me why I still haven't completed my very first Harry Potter fanfic ever: it's a story of Severus Snape's journey to redemption, and I've been writing it since January or February 2010. More than two and a half years later, I still haven't managed to get him to the right place.
Response from MMADfan (Reviewer)
Getting him there is work, definitely! Especially to make it at least quasi-realistic and a somewhat plausible extension of canon. Good luck with it!
Response from MMADfan (Reviewer)
One more thought. I wrote a chapter in an AU postwar fic in which Lucius Malfoy has been greatly reduced in circumstance, had his estate essentially confiscated to pay reparations, and is under house arrest in a very modest Muggle house, where he lives under restrictions of his movement and any use of magic. Severus visits him and sees that even with all that Lucius has gone through, he really just doesn't get it, and until he does, he'll be trapped in dreams of a glorious future-that-might-have-been-if-only. Lucius suspects Severus (who in my AU, has had a long, hard road to redemption, and a slow realization of his own guilt, with gradual shifting from having gone to the OotP because he betrayed Lily & wants revenge, etc., to having true remorse for having done the things he did) -- anyway, Lucius suspects Severus of having "converted" to the "right" (winning) side late, but timely, and for solely self-serving reasons. When Severus encourages him to try to become a man whom Draco can be proud of, to take advantage of the opportunity he has, he says, “You see me, my circumstances. What you suggest is impossible.”Severus shook his head. “No, not impossible, simply extremely challenging. You have some intelligence, Malfoy. Use it. It would give you something to spend your time on, something other than sitting in your garden dreaming about what might have been. You’re right about one thing, of course. It is impossible to change who you were and what you have done. I encounter that same truth on waking each morning and am reminded of it constantly. But show some ambition, Malfoy! Aim for something more than you were, something other.”“Easy for you to say: you chose your sides well.”“Not well: late. And hardly easy.” Severus stood. He had nothing more to say to this wreck of a man. Lucius did not yet understand the nature of his choice, that it had meant more than choosing sides and picking the winning one. Until he did, Severus doubted that the other wizard could move beyond what he was and where his previous choices had brought him.“When did you choose, then?” Lucius asked, suddenly looking up at him sharply.Severus looked down at him. “Before his first defeat. You have surely learned that from the Prophet. And it is still a choice that I make every day.”I had one reviewer who was completely outraged that poor Lucius had lost the manor, had his funds confiscated, and was living in such modest circumstances. I was flummoxed when I read the review. Lucius Malfoy was, most likely, a serial murderer, a torturer of Muggles and others, and a pureblood racist -- and it is likely that his family obtained its wealth through less-than-pleasant means, even if they weren't illegal -- and yet there was outrage on his behalf. What of his victims? The expanding circle of victims, not just those whom he directly affected, but their friends, family, and society in general? Then I realized that the reviewer must have read a lot of fanfic that completely glosses over the canon!Malfoy's behavior and beliefs and she had forgotten what a truly wretched human being he was. Of course, it is possible that she actually identifies in a positive way with canon!Malfoy, but I don't prefer that explanation.Again, thanks for the thought-provoking essay!
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
I will give you a better and more comprehensive response, later, but I wanted to let you know that you've reminded me why I still haven't completed my very first Harry Potter fanfic ever: it's a story of Severus Snape's journey to redemption, and I've been writing it since January or February 2010. More than two and a half years later, I still haven't managed to get him to the right place.
Response from MMADfan (Reviewer)
Getting him there is work, definitely! Especially to make it at least quasi-realistic and a somewhat plausible extension of canon. Good luck with it!
Thanks for posting this here, Tea; it was good to read it again. You've put a lot of good words to thoughts about Lucius and his fanon counterpart that I haven't been fully able to articulate myself.I think that Lucius almost certainly realized later on that he'd backed the wrong horse, but that was only because of the way that Voldemort treated him and his family during his occupation of Malfoy Manor. And truthfully, I couldn't see Lucius ever giving up the prejudices that led him to become a Death Eater in the first place; they're too deeply ingrained, even if it's more politically advantageous in the post-Voldemort world to express other sentiments. I don't think he'd act on his prejudices again; one of his better qualities is his loyalty to his family, and he probably wouldn't risk endangering Narcissa and Draco (and later Astoria and Scorpius) by doing anything that's overtly anti-Muggle or anti-Muggle-Born. But I do suspect that he probably wouldn't give up his actual ideology all that easily. He'd just keep quieter about it in public.
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
That's my belief, too, Penn, based on JKR interviews.And with that in mind, it's difficult to the point of nearly impossible for me to suspend disbelief enough to see him as "secretly good" or "easily redeemed". There's just too much there to be got over for me. It would take years of hard work for me to believe in a Lucius who truly came to see the error of his ways. No writer has yet convinced me of the former, but I'm holding out hope for the latter.
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
That's my belief, too, Penn, based on JKR interviews.And with that in mind, it's difficult to the point of nearly impossible for me to suspend disbelief enough to see him as "secretly good" or "easily redeemed". There's just too much there to be got over for me. It would take years of hard work for me to believe in a Lucius who truly came to see the error of his ways. No writer has yet convinced me of the former, but I'm holding out hope for the latter.
I agree whole heartedly with your point of view. Your essay really moved me. I am white, but I live in the south eastern United States, and I have seen firsthand how prejudice against blacks here has become much more subtle but not disappeared over the years. Four years ago I was watching a political and financial commentator on TV named Lou Dobbs. The election between Obama and McCain was in full swing, and race had become an issue on the campaign trail. Lou Dobbs, through what was probably the “Ignorance of the Privileged,” said that prejudice against blacks no longer existed in this country, and he didn’t see what all of the fuss was about. He accused the Obama campaign of stirring up trouble where there previously was none. I asked myself what fantasy world Dobbs was living in, because here in the South, prejudice is alive and well (unfortunately). I also understand your statements about privilege from a personal point of view. My father was raised on a small farm in Mississippi. He would have been categorized as “white trash” by most of his neighbors. My mother was the daughter of a bank president in Virginia. My dad escaped his poverty thanks to a football scholarship. He and my mother met in NYC in the 1940s. Although they ended up back in Virginia, my dad never forgot his humble roots. He leaned to the left in his voting habits and had no trouble with people of any color or social status. My mother tended to look down her nose at anyone who she considered beneath her. But years do tend to change a person. My mom now is more tolerant of everyone and dearly loves the man I married, who is 1/4th black and ½ Hispanic. But I still hear the occasional racial slur from other members of my family when they think I am out of earshot. They never disparage my husband directly, but the fact that they still think that way about anyone makes me sick. But they are still my family, so I still love them and forgive them, and gently remind them that their direct relatives (my two children) have African blood running through their veins.
In my incomplete story “Secret Recipe” (I am still working on it and I promise I will finish it someday), I depict Lucius as someone who has been forced to outwardly change to fit into society, but who, like some of my relatives, holds his old prejudices dear. And Severus tolerates him as a friend, but he doesn’t tolerate outward disparaging remarks. So I modeled him after some of my relatives, and Severus’ treatment of him after my own treatment of them. But I also touch on the fact that blood prejudice is still alive and well 20 years after VWII in Britain, just as racial prejudice is still alive and well in the States. The whole racial discussion that Barak Obama’s presidency sparked compelled me to write it, along with the ignorant statement of Lou Dobbs and the people around him on the show that day that all agreed wholeheartedly. It’s mind-boggling how blind some people can be. They have no clue what goes on outside of their own bubble.
Thanks for writing this essay. I hope lots of people read it.
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
, I really feel for your situation. It must be a delicate balance to maintain. The Lou Dobbs statement is an excellent illustration of what I tried to write about. I've no doubt that Mr Dobbs believed what he was saying at the time. It's easy not to see the struggles of others when we're accustomed to seeing the world only as we've lived it. And I firmly believe that that is part of why many HP fans are able to dismiss the full horror of Lucius's beliefs and actions. I look forward to reading your story when you post it. You'll surely be able to bring a unique perspective to the telling. If you ever need advice or encouragement, feel free to contact me or one of the other TPP admins. We want to hear your stories!
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
, I really feel for your situation. It must be a delicate balance to maintain. The Lou Dobbs statement is an excellent illustration of what I tried to write about. I've no doubt that Mr Dobbs believed what he was saying at the time. It's easy not to see the struggles of others when we're accustomed to seeing the world only as we've lived it. And I firmly believe that that is part of why many HP fans are able to dismiss the full horror of Lucius's beliefs and actions. I look forward to reading your story when you post it. You'll surely be able to bring a unique perspective to the telling. If you ever need advice or encouragement, feel free to contact me or one of the other TPP admins. We want to hear your stories!
I'm happy to find someone that agrees with me, I find it hard to get into a story where, Lucius Malfoy is suddenly all sweetness and light. Having said that, I have read some very well writen storys, with L.M. as good guy, but those have always had a back story,that goes into the reasons why he changed. Redemption is possible, but only if there is true remorse. It isn't a matter of saying sorry, but of being sorry, not sorry that they have been caught,or that life has turned out to be crap, but truely sorry for the wrong that has been done.
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
It isn't a matter of saying sorry, but of being sorry, not sorry that they have been caught,or that life has turned out to be crap, but truely sorry for the wrong that has been done.I wish I'd had the words to express this idea so simply and beautifully. Thank you for writing and sharing them.
Response from mick42 (Reviewer)
Coming from an author of your caliber, that is a very great compliment indeed. Thank you.
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
It isn't a matter of saying sorry, but of being sorry, not sorry that they have been caught,or that life has turned out to be crap, but truely sorry for the wrong that has been done.I wish I'd had the words to express this idea so simply and beautifully. Thank you for writing and sharing them.
Response from mick42 (Reviewer)
Coming from an author of your caliber, that is a very great compliment indeed. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing your point of view. I appreciate that you are sharing a view you feel may be unpopular. However, I think you have hit the nail on the head.I think fan fiction frequently creates characters that are not similar to how real people with these real personalities behave. Occasionally there is a story that captures something for one of the characters but I think the FICTION aspect over-rides needing to make a connection to what is real.I have always found Lucius to be the quintessential sociopath. Mike Adams in his article 10 signs for spotting a sociopath gives the following list:#1) Sociopaths are charming. #2) Sociopaths are more spontaneous and intense than other people. #3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. #4) Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. #5) Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs. #6) Sociopaths tend to be highly intelligent#7) Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. #8) Sociopaths speak poetically. #9) Sociopaths never apologize. #10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth If that isn’t a description of Lucius, I don’t know what is. I agree with you that it is extremely hard to believe such a hate-filled racist is capable of redemption; but it is impossible to believe that a sociopath can ever be anything other than a sociopath. To paint Lucius as anything remotely safe to even be around is just wrong – unless you don’t want to make a connection to what is real.
Net, I agree with you that characters are written to suit the story the author wants to tell and they are not necessarily true to either canon or to how that person would be in reality.
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I think all fiction, to some extent, depicts characters that don't react in ways we expect real people might. The main difference I see in fanfiction is that many of us write the characters as we want them to be, rather than as who their creators made them. I do it myself. But I also try to be careful in my depictions when straying from canon. I haven't always been successful, but I continue to strive to be aware of the power of words.As for canon!Lucius Malfoy, I (obviously) agree with most of your assessment of him. However, one area where I think he must fail the sociopath test you've listed in in the ability to love. As much as I loathe and despise the character, I do believe he loved his family.You wrote "unless you don't want to make a connection to what is real". I think this is likely exactly the case for many writers. Why should I acknowledge the ugly and the hateful when I just want to write/read a bit of bad-boy fluff? My suspicion that tha attitude is what drives many fanon!Lucius fans is what spurred me to write this essay.
Response from TeaOli (Author of The Ignorance of the Privileged)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I think all fiction, to some extent, depicts characters that don't react in ways we expect real people might. The main difference I see in fanfiction is that many of us write the characters as we want them to be, rather than as who their creators made them. I do it myself. But I also try to be careful in my depictions when straying from canon. I haven't always been successful, but I continue to strive to be aware of the power of words.As for canon!Lucius Malfoy, I (obviously) agree with most of your assessment of him. However, one area where I think he must fail the sociopath test you've listed in in the ability to love. As much as I loathe and despise the character, I do believe he loved his family.You wrote "unless you don't want to make a connection to what is real". I think this is likely exactly the case for many writers. Why should I acknowledge the ugly and the hateful when I just want to write/read a bit of bad-boy fluff? My suspicion that tha attitude is what drives many fanon!Lucius fans is what spurred me to write this essay.